Not Another Teen Wolf Podcast reviewed the audio from the panel and Jeff said "I would certainly suggest that he wasn't a minor, at least in California." which means he was 18+. Cole's meta on birthdays/ages suggest he's around 25 now, so he would have been 18-19 at the time twitter*com/NATWPodcast/ colethewolf*tumblr*com/post/69618737664/teen-wolf-character-birthdays-ages-special-guide-for







There’s some weird details on that, a few people have given different transcripts from different recordings

that it was either as NATWP put it, that Derek was 18, or that Derek wasn’t a minor everywhere else. 

I haven’t heard any of the recordings, but the math works out that Derek was 16, and that wouldn’t make him a minor in most states, but California being very conservative. 

It’s going to be a huge point of contention and right now I’m sticking with the math, most tv treats the age of consent as 16 (where it is in most of the us) but Paige died in 2004 and the house fire was in 2005. We know Derek was 15 in 2004, so he had his 16th bday in 2004 - so it wasn’t statutory rape in most of the US - 

there’s a very good timeline here

remember “at least in California” can be just as easily be “well just in California”

I have always thought Paige was 10 years ago, with the fire 6-7 years ago.

at most the whole thing took place over a year but could have been as little as two months

Nope, Visionary took place 10+ years ago.

In 3x08, Peter states to Stiles & Cora in the [canon] present day (2011): “A 15 year old boy against a giant.” So Derek was, yes, 15 during Visionary.

In 3x10, Jennifer reveals to Derek that Kali leaving her for dead was only a few months after Paige’s death: “But a few months earlier, something happened that caused that ember to glow a little brighter.”

In 3x09, the Sheriff goes to Melissa, asking about the files on a Jane Doe that is later in the episode revealed to have been Jennifer/Julia—from over 10 years ago: “The records would be over ten years old.”

Visionary that means took place in at least 2001, 10 years before the start of the series, and 4 years before the Hale fire (which would also mean that Derek is at least currently 25 and was 19 when he met Kate)

nope, 7 years before, (8 from s4)

If Derek was 15 in 2001 then in 2005 he would have graduated and he and his older sister couldn’t have been at school when the fire started, both of them would have already graduated, so not only was Derek still at school, so was Laura, and Laura we can guess to be 18 because she was able to become Derek’s legal guardian. So unless Derek and Laura were twins it’s not possible - but we know they’re not twins because Laura was old enough to accompany Talia to the meeting as the future alpha but Derek wasn’t.

in 309 the sheriff says the records would be about ten years old, an over estimation because we know he became sheriff in 2004 and Claudia died that year too - so it’s not a stretch he separates things into before Claudia and after Claudia and rounded up.

Stiles also said in the pilot that the fire happened about ten years ago, but we know specifically that happened in 2005.

the math adds up for it all to have happened in 2004 but it doesn’t for 2001 which is why I’m ruling it out. Remember characters are unreliable in teen wolf when it comes to dates, and things like that, it’s one of the reasons that the time line seems confusing, but it really isn’t.

??????? what

"[they] couldn’t have been at school when the fire started, both of them would have already graduated” There is a place called college or university. This is also a school. 

Your paragraph about the sheriff is confusing me—why does when he became a sheriff matter? He was a deputy before he became sheriff, so he was still on the job 10 years ago? Why would he measure time in “before and after Claudia” and give an inexact overestimation of time when he is looking for a specific set of files, in order to solve murders. Where is the logic in this.

The pilot has been said, multiple times, to be wrong. By Jeff Davis. Kate wasn’t even part of his story when that was written and everything was adjusted once 1) they were picked up for a full season, and 2) Kate was added.

In the pilot, Derek was supposed to have been 19. Six years before then he would have been 13? Is that better for you then? Would you prefer that, if you’re willing to believe the pilot?? I mean—

I literally gave you verbatim transcripts of canon where the timeline is pretty solidly laid out, but I guess you know better with your interpretations without solid evidence.



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